Investigators: Frank B. Reams and Mark Savage
A man we shall name Chuck came to several MORA meetings before admitting
to one of our members that he was interested in having someone hypnotize him. He stated that he had
partial memories of events in his life which he believed were related to abduction- like experiences and he
wanted help in learning more about them. After evaluating him and his situation, a qualified hypnotist was
located and two sessions were held. The results were not unusual for those familiar with the subject,
but we are including part of the two session transcripts here for the record and for your information.
(I: indicates questions from one of the two investigators involved. C: is Chuck's response.)
An event that Chuck wanted to review occurred when he was asleep on his girlfriend's couch with an afghan pulled over his head. He determined later that his girl friend had been asleep in her bedroom and could not have been the figure he remembered seeing. |
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C: |
A shadow went from my left side past my feet to my head. |
I: |
Look carefully at the shadow in slow motion. [Chuck could see through the holes in the afghan.] |
C: |
[The figure has] a small waist. It has a belt. The belt is like a bunch of cords. It is blue gray...I see the shirt. It's cut different from ours. It doesn't have buttons down the front. It seems attached at the side...The thing I notice most is the eyes. Black - bigger than ours. I can see its cheekbones. They're small. It has a small ear. It's almost like it has two small holes. |
I: |
Does it have any hair? |
C: |
I don't see any. It really doesn't have a nose. The eyes are shaped a lot like ours but bigger and no white. Just all black. |
I: |
How big is this shadow? |
C: |
It seems tall, but its face is close to me and it doesn't seem to be bending over. |
I: |
Did you see anything about its hands? |
C: |
Hands are real skinny. |
I: |
Are they as big as yours? |
C: |
Maybe as long, but narrower. |
I: |
Are you afraid? |
C: |
I feel like I should be, but I'm not. |
I: |
Did he communicate with you? |
C: |
I understood. |
I: |
You understood what? |
C: |
It wasn't going to hurt me. |
I: |
He told you that? |
C: |
I just knew it. ... He touches my shoulder. His hands are cold. |
I: |
What does he do next? |
C: |
He touches my face. |
I: |
Which side does he touch? |
C: |
Left side. He's putting pressure under my left eye. ... He goes back the side of my head, my neck and pulls up my hair. He moves my head to the side and it feels warm behind my ear. |
I: |
What does he do next? |
C: |
He's just standing there. |
The first session is ended soon afterward. Before the second session, Chuck tells the hypnotist that he is starting to remember being in a white room which is bright and does not seem to have any corners. This is where he asks the second session to begin. |
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I: |
How did you get on this vehicle? |
C: |
They take me. |
I: |
From where...from your bed? |
C: |
Yeah. |
Chuck describes being led up the stairs in his house, through the dining room, and then outside past the tennis court and swimming pool. He is led down a path and across the road into a corn field where he sees a "ball." He hears only a hum. He is led underneath this ball into a "circle." He and one of the beings stand in this circle. A white light then comes on which seems to lift them up into the ship. It was "like an elevator, only faster." |
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Chuck then finds himself on a table, which he describes as having "white legs, four legs. It's waist high. It's metal, There's a ridge on the edge. It's for drainage. There's a hole in it. It goes around the edge...a smooth rounded edge." |
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I: |
How many are working on you at this time? |
C: |
Three. ... They bring some kind of machine down to my mouth and it holds my mouth open. It hurts a little. I feel like gagging...I can't swallow ... There's something in the tube...it's like a cable. [Chuck starts gagging badly so he is told to move ahead in his memory.] |
I: |
What are you thinking? |
C: |
I just want to get out. |
I: |
How do they keep you on the table? Are you restrained? |
C: |
I don't know. I just don't move. |
I: |
When they put his thing down your throat you didn't try to resist, close your mouth or something? |
C: |
I tried to put my head back. |
I: |
And what did they do? |
C: |
Just moved it forward. |
Chuck is then asked to describe the room he is in. |
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C: |
The walls are all white. ... It's not real bright, but it's very well lit. |
I: |
Are they like our lights? |
C: |
It's just bright. |
I: |
You mean everything is white? |
C: |
Not everything. But the walls, the floor. |
I: |
Where are you at the present time? What are you doing? |
C: |
I'm on a table...lying on my back. ... Something's covering my eye. |
I: |
Which eye? |
C: |
My right eye. ... I just can't see out of my right eye. It's like it's closed. But I can see out of my left. |
I: |
What do you see with your left eye? |
C: |
I see a panel in the wall to my left across the room. Somebody is standing or sitting. I can't tell if they're standing or sitting. ... And it looks like he's going through charts or something. |
I: |
What do you mean, somebody? Is it a person? |
C: |
No. |
I: |
Does he communicate with you in any way? |
C: |
They seem kind of cold. It's like it's just their job. |
I: |
What happens next? What is he doing? |
C: |
He's looking down at me. He has a light, like a flashlight or something. I know it shines in my eye. |
I: |
The eye that's open or the other eye? |
C: |
My left eye. |
I: |
What does he do next? |
C: |
He reaches for something. It's to my left. I can't see it. |
I: |
Can you hear anything when he reaches for it? |
C: |
Yeah. It's metal. It's like he pulls it across the room, like it's on wheels. It's not big but it's kind of bulky. ... He pulls it over to the table. There's an arm that swings toward my face. ... He moves it down and I'm looking up and see there's a almost like a tube and lowers it down to my left eye. That's all. |
I: |
Did it hurt? |
C: |
Something goes in. ... I can feel it go in. It goes in the eye. |
I: |
How's the pain? |
C: |
I just feel weak. ... I feel something under my eye. Something is holding my eye open. It's something...something pushing on my socket. |
I: |
And does it hurt yet? |
C: |
It's not excruciating, but it hurts. ... Well, it's like it's in there holding my eye open. My eyelids won't move. |
I: |
What happens next? |
C: |
There's someone standing at the end of the table. [There are now two individuals working on him, on by his head the other at his feet.] He has something in his arms...his hands. He has a [small] tray in his arms. [He's] just standing there. I think he is doing something to the arm. |
I: |
To your arm? |
C: |
No, to the arm that the needle's [attached to]. |
I: |
Do they pull it out of your eye now? |
C: |
Yeah. |
I: |
What do they do next? |
C: |
The one by my head moves the arm. |
I: |
Which way did he move the arm? |
C: |
Over my right shoulder. |
I: |
What happens next? |
C: |
He puts his hand under my arm and helps me get off the table. |
I: |
How do you feel? |
C: |
A little unsteady. |
Three individuals, two behind him and one in front, escort Chuck into another room. He remembers wearing something around his neck at this time. He states that it is like an apron which feels as if it is made of plastic |
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I: |
You mean it comes down your front? |
C: |
Yeah. But there's no strings and it doesn't go down my back and it has a pocket. |
I: |
Which side is the pocket on? |
C: |
On my left breast. |
Chuck describes the room as "kind of dark." There are benches that come out of the wall, the tops of which are dark and the sides gray. The individuals leave, but he notices that there is another person in the room with him. He describes the person as male, older, with brown hair but "kind of bald on top." He does not attempt to talk to this person because the "beings" did not want him to, explaining that "it's sort of like against the rules." When asked how he knows this he replies, "I've been here before." |
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Chuck reports that his left eye feels OK at this point and his right eye is no longer covered. He can see with both eyes. |
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The beings return and take Chuck "to the pad outside." He still has the apron or collar on. He states that he did not attempt to remove it during this experience. When the beings released him they removed the apron. |
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I: |
Was there anything said to you mentally? |
C: |
They'll be back. |
I: |
What makes you say that? |
C: |
It's just the feeling I get. |
I: |
The next place you find yourself is where? |
C: |
At home, in bed. |
I: |
Do you think it was a dream? |
C: |
Sort of...I'm cold. |
Chuck was brought out of the hypnotic state at this point.
We do not know if he will continue with any more sessions. He seemed satisfied with the
results of these two sessions, and may not wish to pursue the matter further.